Curse

Chop it Off · Oct 10, 2009, 01:38 PM // 13:38

the least ive seen people selling em for is 3.8k and tons buying em for 4k.

not a huge drop and that will recover in a day or two

wilderness · Oct 10, 2009, 01:58 PM // 13:58

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Originally Posted by Sankt Hallvard

I got you really worked up there, didn't I? But maybe I touched on something important since you take such great offense. I can't come here and claim to be an expert on gaming addiction, but this emphasis on "working on my titles" with 'working' being the key word worries me. Also the fact that some of you are willing to dedicate so much time and anger towards "those who devalue my title!".

I have been skeptical towards the title system ever since it got implemented. It felt like people stopped doing activites they found enjoyable and spent more time on actions that were more cost-effective in terms of reaching the next tier in their title. I'm not so detached from human behaviour I don't see the motivation in having a goal to work towards, like your zaishen title. I just see this is as a more destructive incitament, not claiming to be an expert on gaming addiction here but this seems like something that will encourage such an addiction to me.

I am a little worried that Anet doesn't feel more of a moral responsibility for creating said addiction. As a company their prime goal is to create money for their share holders, and what could be better than making your costumers dependent on your product? I think the tobacco industry has some nice results to show. They are obviously aware of the risk since you get a message that "you have been playing for 3 hours. please take a break". Unfortunately the ambiguity is crystal clear. In TA you get awarded incremental rewards the longer your winning streak is, 1 glad pt after 5 wins, 2 pts after 10 wins, 3 after 15 and finally 4 pts for every 5 wins there after. The thing is it takes roughly an hour for every 10 wins, so once you hit those 10 wins it pays to keep playing if your goal is the title.

Meh, I guess I'm going off on a rant here that no one wants to hear about..

I notice that you try to insult me in all 3 of your paragraphs, and in your header as well. This is the guru way of doing it, isn't it? With the risk of sounding even more like a jerk on my high horse: I don't find that way of debating very constructive. I feel genuinely sorry if my previous post hurt you. It was meant as a wake-up call and to be provocative but in all my naivity I didn't mean to actually hurt anyone. But obviously when you label someone as "pathetic" that's hard to avoid.

So if you would refrain from personal insults or deragotory comments in the future I would appreciate it and I will try to do the same.

Wow...

Firstly, I feel no anger toward you, merely sympathy and a little disgust. Boldness was for emphasis, not shouts.

Secondly, I never said 'working on' I said 'extending'. Stop imprinting your petty ideals on everyone.

Thirdly, the 'insults' I made were objective observation of your obvious need to attempt elevation above those who play the game in any way you deem unworthy. You are acting self-righteous, you are acting above it all, and this is a little pathetic. The guru way of doing things? no, simply how people respond to jerks who are trying to get their kicks insulting player demographics.

Again with the lack of understanding of irony...

And, lastly, addiction? Why does working on a title have to be anything to do with addiction? The fact that you can't fathom how another might simply enjoy the methodical nature of buying/selling/and extending a title again highlights your close-mindedness and ignorant mindset.

Feel free to keep up this little debate with me, just remember EVERYone can read this and you're as transparent as glass.

Symeon · Oct 10, 2009, 02:05 PM // 14:05

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Originally Posted by Chocobo1

Funny, haven't met a red that resigned yet. Still 100% victory at the moment, PvE'rs can't PvP </3.

I lol'd

I doubt those of you not RRing are making 15 zkeys an hour (though I'm sure you'll assert otherwise). That you're boasting in this thread about 'playing', 'having fun' and 'winning' in HB is really quite pitiful.

To the topic, they couldn't realistically ban so many people. Perhaps they could add dishonour to HB, remove the faction reward or the quest itself. But with their resources so extremely stretched at the moment, I think they'll just leave it at removing HB.

Mr. Undisclosed · Oct 10, 2009, 02:11 PM // 14:11

Lol most of the time the great majority of the people I know bring actual build when they rr. Go ahead and not resign a lot of people including myself are stubborn enough to just fight it out if it comes to that.

Sarevok Thordin · Oct 10, 2009, 02:14 PM // 14:14

Just so you know, there are 14 American districts in HB right now, compared to the 5 max last week.

I think not as many people knew about this as I thought <_<

Chop it Off · Oct 10, 2009, 02:22 PM // 14:22

rr has been happening for how many months now? and people are only complaining now? XD

zelgadissan · Oct 10, 2009, 02:28 PM // 14:28

I did this for the first time last night for maybe two hours - I found myself getting bored and wanting to fight rather fast. I think I always resigned/left as red, but I know I fought a decent number of times as blue and only lost the very first one I played. Next Hero Battles day (if there is one) I'll just fight on both sides.

The best part was that I could literally stay in Primal Rage for its entire duration and hit it on recharge, because nobody even tried to get me out of it

Trinity Blade · Oct 10, 2009, 02:29 PM // 14:29

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Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin

Just so you know, there are 14 American districts in HB right now, compared to the 5 max last week.

I think not as many people knew about this as I thought <_<

There where first 69 districts, then 43, and so on till 14 now.

*wow suddenly it whooped from 14 till 43!*

dr love · Oct 10, 2009, 02:46 PM // 14:46

63 american districts.
11 international districts.
lol!!!!!!

Cracko · Oct 10, 2009, 03:07 PM // 15:07

Sigh, last week there was only about 10 districts, now theres around 50.

RR'ing has nearly been nerfed by the own community, seeing as theres more idiots "hurr durr im gonna play this game so other people who are blue dont get their wins durrpty flurrr".

Stop talking about 'morale', you think you found a flaw in the system, but all you're doing is ripping your own butt next HB days, since people get tired of leaving when they are red, but not getting anything back when theyre blue.

so if you think youre beating the system, youre just beating yourself.

ele pl · Oct 10, 2009, 03:45 PM // 15:45

LOL at people that think deleting HB will solve the problem. There are plans to do RR in TA already. To fix it, they need to do what i posted some time ago about ridiculous high balth rewards - make balth rewards rely on bonuses. to get full fb reward, you have to do all bonuses.

Bug John · Oct 10, 2009, 03:50 PM // 15:50

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Originally Posted by ele pl

LOL at people that think deleting HB will solve the problem. There are plans to do RR in TA already.

RR in TA... glad points will be rare...

btw, TA will be deleted at the same time as HB

ele pl · Oct 10, 2009, 03:55 PM // 15:55

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btw, TA will be deleted at the same time as HB

Ah, i forgot about that one. So Gvg! Lower raiting to like 800, and go. Though it will be longer.

Grj · Oct 10, 2009, 04:02 PM // 16:02

What the "legit" people dont realise this is anet here, if they do take any action which i doubt they will, what makes you think you're immune to not getting banned?

Anet have a track record of misbanning on several occasions...

Oh i love the "legit" people with ~1k rating and 20k+ rank taking the game super serious, if you was anybody worth anything in hb would you have such a low ranking/rating in the first place?

Vdawg1337 · Oct 10, 2009, 04:57 PM // 16:57

They will Q.Q about it and than anet will ban people (probably peeps that did it the most)

Vazze · Oct 10, 2009, 04:59 PM // 16:59

RR can actually work in TA too: rr teams need to go with griefing builds and force a draw against non-RR teams. That should discourage real teams from playing. lol

Zahr Dalsk · Oct 10, 2009, 05:02 PM // 17:02

Pro-Tip: those of us coming into HB and not resigning on red, we aren't doing it because we want zaishen keys; we're doing it because we like griefing and Guild Wars offers precious few opportunities to grief people.

The anger and whining of a blue RR'er just before he leaves the game... it's glorious.

Fril Estelin · Oct 10, 2009, 05:05 PM // 17:05

I've got a question: why are people abusing the system now via RR to boost their Commander title, while Linsey indicated that it'd be mutually exclusive from the new title associated to SD:

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There will be a new title for this new format. This title will be the counterpart of the Commander title; either will satisfy a single requirement towards the Hall of Monuments and the Kind of a Big Deal title track, but not both at once. It’s a one-or-the-other kind of thing.

zelgadissan · Oct 10, 2009, 05:07 PM // 17:07

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

I've got a question: why are people abusing the system now via RR to boost their Commander title, while Linsey indicated that it'd be mutually exclusive from the new title associated to SD:

1) Raise faction cap - didn't say anything about the cap going back down
2) Faction from Zquest rewards (aka not really for the title)

wilderness · Oct 10, 2009, 05:07 PM // 17:07

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Originally Posted by Vdawg1337

They will Q.Q about it and than anet will ban people (probably peeps that did it the most)

Now, if I'm banned for using the exploit I'll be a little peeved. Not because I've lost my GWs account (like I said, once I've hit r12 Zaishen I'm gone anyway), but because Anet left an exploitable quest in-game after calling the use of said exploit a 'cheat'.

They're removing HB anyway, so what would be the harm in removing the quest?

Also, many players don't use the forum at all and have no idea Anet consider this as cheating. They see a large portion of the community exploiting an obvious design flaw to earn a few extra keys. Keys that will be used up on pointless titles and won't damge the market for more than a few days.

This is nothing like the dupe exploit that produced stacks of armbraces making the upper-high end items impossible to reach for legit traders as zkeys are pretty much a consumable and an abundance of them will only reduce the inflated prices of rare zchest drops potentially making the game more enjoyable for your average player.

Also, seeing as I've seen a few players in game who've retained their full trade+ of armbraces, there's plenty yet or Anet to do before they go about banning for 'cheating' 50 zkeys or so.